The Resonance of Self-Care: Songwriting and Healing with Emma G

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How are you, Emma? I'm not going to lie. I'm a bit of a zombie today.

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I've had a very intense week.

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So I'm excited to nap later this afternoon. I'm not going to...

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It's been one of those days, but I'm happy to be here. It's been too long.

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Yeah, I can relate to you. Yesterday I said my brains were mashed potatoes. Mashed potato brains?

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Yeah. It's my favorite kind of brain. Yeah. I was like, I have no other way

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to describe what it is that I'm feeling.

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I was just disassociating in the complete stress of it all.

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Music.

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All right g-rex you want to do intro i will are you

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ready yeah i'm ready you're ready three two

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one welcome back to another episode

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of shit that goes on in our heads today we have an

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amazing guest we have emma g and i'm

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so excited to have you here welcome emma wonderful to be back so i'm so well

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back officially on air with you ladies but also just back seeing your beautiful

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faces that's what a way to spend a saturday i know right better than being outside

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no i'm just I'm just kidding.

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So much, so much. It's just cold.

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Yeah so emma you said you've

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had a rough week anything you want to well i'm using

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the word rough very objectively i'll

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be honest when i say rough i mean it's just

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been an emotionally charged week you know

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as somebody who's

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like moved to this country doing music and

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you know my whole mission was to make music with

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a message and help touch people's lives and help empower

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and whatever that has evolved in many ways

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and this week has been the manifestation of one

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such evolution where because i'm

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so focused on mental and emotional health i

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have now been instated as the

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stress management coordinator for a

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volatile workplace or work

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you know volatile volatile country workplace so

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that sounds really trivial and I'm probably naming the wrong

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thing but working with NGO workers and reporters

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who are going over to volatile or dangerous countries to

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you know do humanitarian work or just report on

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what's going on in places like Somalia or Ukraine etc etc so it's just been

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like it's been a lot you know managing personalities managing stress levels

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working through them with you know different stress management techniques which

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of course all relate back to music songwriting and singing meditation breathing.

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Body placement and things like that so it's just

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it's been a lot and then that spring during the day

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followed up by you know coaching clients and then gigging in

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the evening i just need some i

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need a rest day a self-care day shall

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we say yeah that was what i was about to ask

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is having that as your day-to-day like

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how are you taking care of yourself well a lot of the same

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sort of practices that i talk about when i'm teaching it's uh

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you know very much rooted in getting enough rest feeding

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yourself nutritious delicious foods but also just sleeping and meditation and

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stretching oh my gosh stretching is so so important as vocalists but just as

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human I think it's really easy for us to forget the emotional,

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mental, and physical are so,

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closely aligned, and of course, our spiritual selves as well,

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that when we don't take time to look after our bodies, we're just kind of.

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Tends to not do well

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yeah and and that you know that

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kind of goes back to like the cortisol too right like it just sticks

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down in your belly and if you're not you know doing something

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to like move your body or laugh or get your

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endorphins going you know it it can hurt your

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your physical well-being as well as your.

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Mental well-being so like even being as

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cold as hell as it is up here like if.

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I can't go outside i'm just going to go up and down the stairs two or three times even.

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If my arthritis is really bothering me it's just

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getting my heart rate up enough to you know

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kind of relieve some of that stress or i'll go

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and do the three by two piece of the sidewalk

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that i can actually shovel without having to

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use a snowblower so it's awesome

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i love that yeah i've been really leaning into

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yoga to start off my days as well has been really

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helpful to just get the you know the oxygen flowing and activate

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the muscles a little bit but it's important we just forget

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i think it's really you know it's imperative that especially

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living in big cities we take that

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time to step away and even

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in the country right like i live in you know

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the rural part of upstate new york so you know

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just making sure that i'm taking care of

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that part of me right i'm all about nature but

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i am not going to go outside if it's 10 degrees it's not

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gonna it's not gonna happen i forgot that

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you're in upstate new york i spent a week just a

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week and a half nearly two weeks actually um in lake george

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in upstate new york and fell in

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love with the place except when it got cold dude.

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It was cold yeah no i'm nope you can keep I will take it over like 292 days

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of super hot weather. So I'm fine with that.

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I was going to say 292. Yeah, Florida. That's pretty cool. You're saying you're not coming back.

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I'm not. No. Well, maybe just for one event, but that's it.

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Yeah. So Emma, how did you find, find therapy and music? When did that start for you?

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When did I find therapy and music? I think it was something that I,

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that's like, there's no simple answer to that question.

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I think as a young child, I started turning to music and songwriting as tools

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to kind of just communicate my thoughts and feelings at an early,

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you know, at a young age, because, I mean, I don't know if your listeners know

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anything about my story, but, you know, by the time I was 10,

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I'd already had 10 brain surgeries.

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And so that was something that was really hard to communicate about to my friends and family.

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How many people do you know who had one brain surgery, let alone 10.

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And so, you know, the additional ramifications of those surgeries,

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brain damage or, you know, isolation or being called every name under the sun,

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it was really difficult to sort of figure out how to overcome as a young person.

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So music helped me to at least find the vocabulary to explain and express myself.

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Myself but then you know as

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I became a teenager and continued to

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live life and experience all the things that young women

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endure unfortunately all too often it

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just continued to serve as my voice and my

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opportunity to tell the world all this shit's happening and it's horrible and

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hard and I don't know what to do about it but at that point in my life I was

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very much rooted in this place of I need to try and at least express that or

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at least try to talk about it or at least try to like,

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you know, help people understand or make people understand what was going on.

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It didn't yet click that the answer was in the question.

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And so to be able to then turn around and say, oh, I can express myself,

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but actually in the self-expression, I can actually come to my own conclusions about how to overcome.

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That didn't happen until much later.

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I had moved to Auckland, or Auckland as Americans say, moved to Auckland in

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2011 and started started a

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hard rock band called Static Era with one of my dear friends, Chris Young,

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who used to play guitar for a rock band that I was in love with called Tadpole.

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And he was like, well, why don't we start a band? And I was like, okay, let's do that.

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Touch wood. Oh my gosh, is this actually happening? But because he was older

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than me and had experience in music for so much longer than I had,

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he pointed out to me, hey Emma, there's some really great material here,

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but what would it look like to actually create more of a positive spin on this?

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So i think it was at that point that i kind of coined

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my the whole philosophy of okay life can

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be shit but it's our job to take the shit turn

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it into fertilizer and plant a garden and that

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was done okay it's fine

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for us to look at the crap and feel the feelings

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and feel the hurt and hurt and you know be

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sad and depressed and overwhelmed but if

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we took a step outside of our ego for a minute and looked

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at okay so what can we do from here how can

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we grow from here what are the silver linings here

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then you know maybe there's

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some opportunity for us to actually grow and become happier

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healthier human beings and that was you know 2012 2013

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to you know 2024 baby

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and i'm all about that like and it's again it's important

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for us to like recognize the enemy recognize the

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the depression or the anxiety or the overwhelm but then also give us give ourselves

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permission to like go well okay but i'm the writer of my own song so how can

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i cognitively shift this into something that makes me feel empowered strong

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motivated positive insert other adjective here.

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Do you have any i guess maybe advice or helpful tips to people who are looking

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to take their shit it and turn it into a garden i do and i'm getting two seconds yeah,

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Well, you see my pajama pants. Okay, I got mine on too.

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All of that advice is in this book. It's my latest interactive workbook.

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It's based on my last TEDx talk, which is called From Pain to Playlist,

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Turning Struggles into Song.

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It's full of tips and tricks that people can use when it comes to cognitively

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reframing disempowering thoughts or ideas into something positive.

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I will tell you from the job that I was showing this to to a friend of mine

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last night, but he was most fascinated by this because one of the things,

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he looked at one of the pages, he's like, imagine depression was a person and

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write a song to them or write a letter to them. What does that even mean?

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And I was like, well, we think about it. When we're feeling in our gunk,

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when we're feeling in our feelings, it's easier for us to continue that,

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you know, mouth wheel of continued overwhelm, continued stress,

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continued dark thoughts.

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If we give ourselves permission to like you know step outside of our ego again,

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take a more holistic look at at the situation and instead of like lashing out

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at our parents and our partners husbands wives to talk about like oh i'm depressed

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why aren't you helping me,

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why don't we actually attack the feeling because that's the actual enemy here

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not enemy you can turn the front yeah our enemies into friends you know but

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like that's what we're We're actually trying to manage here. So what would you say?

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And of course, you know, a number of my songs are...

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Examples of how I've turned my emotions into humans that I've been like screw

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you I'm dumping you now yes our relationship is over close the door on your

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way out goodbye depression.

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Don't call me I won't call you that hit hard right as you said that I thought

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holy shit yeah what would I say to that emotion right like fuck that's good

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that's good I need the book I I need to write it down. I need to go through the motions.

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Man, that hit. Yeah, I could have used that book, you know, when I was still

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in my fog, you know, before, you know, Christmas Day 2022.

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I could have used that, right? We were just talking about like,

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what did I do to help myself?

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Well, you know, one of the things I couldn't do is I couldn't find my voice

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or couldn't find my footing.

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Your book will help people to find their voice and find their footing.

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One question that you know dirty skills always

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ask me is you know what would

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you have done different well i would have opened up my fucking

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mouth a lot sooner but you know

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i just couldn't because i didn't have those tools i have those tools now

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and your book is going to be a huge tool for people out there they're going

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through something similar thank you and i i appreciate that but i also want

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to like encourage you to have a break with yourself because it's easy for us

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to like you know say I should have I'm a big believer in stopping shooting on yourself.

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We really need to stop shooting on ourselves because if

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we continue to like

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have a narrative of I should have done that okay but

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because you didn't these other things

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happened which have now contributed to the beautiful aspects of your personality

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and your resilience and your your strength you know what I mean and even still

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like you know opening your mouth and saying something in the moment might have

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actually been worse you don't know everything happens I think in you know it's

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divine time let's take at least like.

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I'm a big believer in maybe not even opening your mouth so much to the world,

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but at least taking the time to understand yourself, because that's where it

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should kind of fall away.

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The issue, I think a lot of the time, especially in 2024, in a time when we're

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so distracted and overwhelmed by the news and social media and everything else

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going on around in the world, especially at the moment,

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is that we don't take time to at least open our minds to ourselves.

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You know and take the time to understand our own thoughts and feelings and that can be incredibly,

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powerful when it comes to overcoming some struggles you

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know like a song that I released last year called Barbed Wire it won a telly

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award for the music video category last year and this year it's up for some

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whammies here in the Washington DC mid-tree area but the song I mean I'm 35

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now. I wrote this song just after my 15th birthday.

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It took me 20 years.

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I could have released it and put it out to the world when I was 15.

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But in all honesty, if I had, I

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think there's every possibility that it

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would have opened up a can of worms that I was not equipped to actually deal

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with because you know the song is about sexual abuse and that's a really scary

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topic to dive into when you're 15 but at least i had something to help me understand it.

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Huge i have goosebumps it's huge it's so huge and like you're giving people the tools,

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that they need to get past some of the worst shit

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that's going on in their heads right now you know

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a lot of times people don't know where to turn they

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don't know what to do they don't know how to express what's

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going on inside them when i was talking to

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dirty earlier like on the

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outside i look perfectly fine like nothing could

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touch me but on the inside like i was killing

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myself right i was talking bad about myself

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like i just couldn't i just wanted to be

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done i'm so thankful that you know

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there was a garden guardian angel 988 was available

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that my wife was home and then i was in therapy the very

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next day but like you know books like your book and your music that helps people

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right like on their on the worst day of their life right music is to me is a

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healer absolutely show us laughter absolutely and inappropriate jokes,

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yeah that's kind of depending on the words depending where you're at like depends

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on the joke i think some jokes oh you need to pick your audience but yes i agree.

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Yeah i mean that's huge

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i mean kind of going back to what you said i mean yeah you had something to

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help you get through that and i think that's key i mean that's i wish you know

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my my childhood wasn't the best either but and i think i don't remember the

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exact age that i was able to to identify what was happening, but it wasn't enough.

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Even though I knew what was going on was wrong, I didn't have anything to relate it back to, right?

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Like there wasn't any music that I could think of in like the nineties that

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I could say, oh, that is exactly what's happening here.

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You know, so almost some, like myself, I would imagine there's other people

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who feel alone when you're going through that at a young age,

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not having a name to put to it.

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So I think just Just the fact that you've even shared that there is a song out

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there like that will help, right?

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Because at times when you don't have the words to put to a feeling or an emotion

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or, you know, whatever's happening to you, music has always worked for me.

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Like, I will love a song to death because it has identified a feeling I have.

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And in a way, I don't think I could ever have put words to. So I think that's huge.

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Which I challenge you a little bit because I think

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yes we'll feel that

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way but you know when

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I mean because I was the same way I've been writing and making up

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songs since I was three I'm not normal I get that but I think when we so I sort

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of I kept making up songs so on and so forth but I often same thing as you would

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turn to other people's music to try and make sense of my my own thoughts and feelings,

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you know, so like listening to Iron Maiden, listening to Britney Spears,

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the Spice Girls, Enigma, but I woke up one day and realized.

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These are someone else's words, this is someone else's experience,

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this isn't actually my narrative,

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so what would it look like for me to write my own narrative,

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right, like if these guys can do it,

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I'm smart I sing I know

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how to write I know how to speak use words

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so what does it look like to you

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know to be able to use my own verbiage and my own lyric and take that one step

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further to look at you know finding those words you would be amazed at how music

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affects our brain in a way that helps us access those vocabularies that we don't often think we have.

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And I will tell you this because I ran some experiments when I was teaching

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at a university back in New Zealand.

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A lot of our learners were second chance learners, had been incarcerated or

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dropped out of school early or whatever, were told their entire lives that they

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were not intelligent human beings.

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They did not want to write essays at all. The idea made them freeze.

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They closed off. They didn't know what to say, how to say it, whatever.

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So I'm somebody that's like, I don't even look at the box.

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I think it's so outside the box that it doesn't exist for me so

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I got my you know these students to wrap their

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research papers and to you

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know like sing or write song like lyrical songs

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about Bob Marley or about whoever Tupac

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and I tell you the minute

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they were able to sing or rap their research

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you would not believe the

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vocabulary that came out of them and it's the the same thing for the songwriting

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clients that I work with the amount of inspiration that comes because oh shoot

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I actually have this opportunity to sing what I'm feeling it's a game changer

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yeah do you work with all different age brackets and groups generally the youngest I work with,

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actually I'm up until recently was 13 but I recently worked with a nine-year-old,

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no 10-year-old she was about to turn 11 and just before her 11th birthday she

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wrote wrote and recorded her first song called Scars about recognizing and honoring

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the beauty in our emotional and physical scars.

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So yeah, that's generally the youngest I'll work with. But the oldest,

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not through adults, my happy place is generally teenagers though.

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Yeah, very interesting. I have so many questions and I don't know if you can

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share them, but like, what does that look like?

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Like, how do you start to open that door for them and get them comfortable with

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writing down what they're feeling?

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Well, it doesn't often start with them writing down things. We often have conversations.

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I'm very open and transparent when i work with teenagers in

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particular because one of the things i've really realized about

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the young people i work with is that they they're all

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dying to be heard they just don't feel listened to

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or responded when they're being listened to

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and so you see

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all the time kids end up yelling or cussing

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as a way to kind of like shock people into

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hearing them or that if that doesn't work that

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manifests into physical expressions of

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their frustration and if that doesn't work then that can turn

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into crime and all kinds of other really negative and serving

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things but what i

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do from the jump when i'm working with young people is first establishing the

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fact that i'm not their teacher i'm not even really you know their elder i'm

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their big sister their coach their mentor their friend and thus when we're working

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together everything we do together is safe space and And then I open up, you know, I talk about,

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you know, the boundaries that I have with languaging. There are none.

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But I also tell the kids, like, if you're going to cuss, make sure you use your cuss intelligently.

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Because I know that you are intelligent enough to use other words to explain yourself.

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But if you really, the only word you can use is a cuss word called at least rhyme it.

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And nine times out of 10, I think in the last four years since I've been doing

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this work, for this specific work, I've had one person cuss.

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Wow, you should work with me. I literally was like, what would my song sound like? It's just...

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No, that's a joke. But yeah, but when you empower them to be like,

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oh, I'm smart enough. Well, I can use my words.

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Okay, cool. I'll step up. Emma believes in me. I need to believe in myself.

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And then, you know, we just have a conversation to start off with.

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And so during that conversation, I'll open up a Google Drive

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document that is open for them to see at the

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same time time because you know open communication is

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really important to me and then I'll take notes of the

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conversation and they see it as I'm writing it down and

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then from those notes we identify key

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frame that's key theme sorry key phrases key words

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and then take that down and write

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you know develop that into a song I mean

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it's really beautiful to be honest with you just hearing you say that like I'm

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like shit that like you said it challenges it

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challenges challenges what i thought could ever

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be possible right so i i think a

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lot of people i wonder a lot of people call it that stuff right

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now like well that good but it makes

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sense it's different yeah yeah like i'm curious now i think i'm gonna start

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looking at people like i wonder what their song sounds like you know it's not

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i don't know it's just really pretty it's beautiful i think it's you know i

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wish that you know we'd i'd had that totally you know when i was growing up

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right Right. Because I'm a boomer.

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I'm not sad to say that. But, you know, I went through a lot of shit as a kid.

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And man, if I could have put my words to music, I'd probably be a billionaire.

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But like it would have probably helped me deal with a lot of the stuff I was going through, too.

00:24:56
And that's the beauty of what you do is that you help these kids. Yes.

00:25:01
Feel better about themselves and about the world about the world that's going

00:25:07
on around us because the world's just not a pretty place right now.

00:25:12
It's definitely challenging in many ways but i want to challenge you though

00:25:17
g-rex because as much as like you talk about you know what the things you needed

00:25:22
as a teenager or as a child,

00:25:24
it's not too late you're still growing even as a booer you're still growing

00:25:29
you're still like Like you're not dead yet. You're still evolving as a human being.

00:25:34
So what would it look like, you know, after our conversation today,

00:25:37
what would it look like for you to think back to your five-year-old self,

00:25:41
your seven-year-old self, your 10-year-old self, 15-year-old self,

00:25:43
and write a song to them as a woman now in 2024?

00:25:50
I'm going to write that song and then I'm going to send it to you.

00:25:52
I'm going to send it to you and Dirty Skittles.

00:25:56
Nice. I love that. And I ran that kind of exercise recently.

00:26:00
Recently, well, not recently, last April, there's a women's conference here

00:26:03
that specifically works with unhoused women and pregnant unhoused women as well.

00:26:08
And that's the exercise we did. We wrote a song.

00:26:12
Each woman who was in the workshop with me wrote a song to themselves at the

00:26:18
time that they first realized that they were traumatized.

00:26:24
So for many of them, they were like 14 to 17 years old was when their first trauma occurred.

00:26:30
So they ended up writing a song to that 14, 17-year-old self. And it was powerful.

00:26:36
It was, you know, we had women in tears sharing their songs.

00:26:42
And then I, you know, I took my guitar and actually sang the songs back to them.

00:26:46
And it was really beautiful, you know, because, again, it's music helps us tap

00:26:51
into a part of ourselves that we, it's not that we don't know that it exists

00:26:56
or that it's there. We just have a lost touch with our abilities to access it.

00:27:01
So interesting i love this it's so interesting because it's always i mean for

00:27:06
me it's one thing to you know be brave enough to share that right and to like

00:27:11
kind of because i mean for me it's like you're opening your soul like that's

00:27:15
how i'm imagining it right like these are words that,

00:27:17
you either never really thought to write down then you finally write it down

00:27:21
but then to go that extra mile and to hear somebody singing it back to you like

00:27:24
holy shit like i would be like I'm like, well, I'm going to sit back here for a minute.

00:27:29
And it's always an emoji melody, right? Like, so I just, you know,

00:27:33
one of my favorite pieces of songwriting advice was from one of the Berkeley professors,

00:27:38
Pat Patterson, who says, you know, a well-written song can be adapted to any melody, any genre.

00:27:45
So, you know, I can just pull something out of my butt and it's going to be

00:27:49
fine, you know, but that's the emoji, that's the emoji song as opposed to like

00:27:53
your song, Skittles, is going to sound very different to J-Rex's song.

00:27:58
J-Rex's songs sound very different to her wife's song, you know, whatever it is.

00:28:03
But the important thing is just being able to at least like get it out of your

00:28:09
head and onto paper and, you know, again, look at it cognitively in different

00:28:13
narratives, you know, and again, all of those are in my book,

00:28:17
but, you know, and be able to sort of figure out how to make sense of it all

00:28:23
in a way that actually serves your soul as opposed to what you think other people want to hear.

00:28:30
Yeah. Sheesh. I know. This is going to be a deep one for me.

00:28:34
I'm going to be thinking about this episode for a hot minute.

00:28:37
Oh, yeah. If you want to start this level, this was not the conversation to

00:28:39
have. No, I love this stuff. I really, I love learning.

00:28:44
And I love things that I would call different, meaning like anything outside

00:28:49
of what I could think of on my own.

00:28:52
So I will just sit and like literally

00:28:55
think about this for days and like love every second of it because

00:28:58
it's different and it's something that i wouldn't have come to on my

00:29:01
own you know so this is very cool for me

00:29:03
completely selfish sorry g-rex no no i'm

00:29:07
like totally like i'm digging this i'm getting your

00:29:10
book i'm going to write my song i'm going

00:29:12
to send it to i'm going to send it to amity and i'm going to

00:29:15
send three skittles probably going to laugh at

00:29:18
myself a little bit but like it's eye-opening because

00:29:21
like maybe if those words were played

00:29:24
back to me in somebody else's voice i might

00:29:27
understand them a little bit better right oh

00:29:31
interesting why that why i had that emotion what was

00:29:34
happening at that time in my life and there's times

00:29:37
during you know when i was in my before i

00:29:39
was into my teens in my 20s my 30s my 40s my 50s and even right now you know

00:29:46
in my 60s like there's just shit that happens that if i could put it to a song

00:29:51
i know know it might resonate different with me than if I'm just reading it on a piece of paper.

00:29:58
What can I ask because to touch on what she just said

00:30:01
when they hear their song back to them

00:30:04
is there anything like that like

00:30:06
I never thought of wondering if I would think of

00:30:10
it differently I heard somebody else saying it back to me do they

00:30:13
feel I mean I'm I don't know if you know but it's like how do

00:30:17
they feel afterwards i don't think it's at the i

00:30:20
mean sure okay so hearing

00:30:23
it back to them i think makes it more

00:30:26
real yeah and that's

00:30:29
not necessarily hearing about from me to them it could be them recording it

00:30:32
themselves and hearing it back i think the aha moments generally come from i

00:30:39
think the aha moments generally come from that permission that we give ourselves

00:30:44
to So I actually live in...

00:30:49
That moment. What I mean by that is, to your point, G-Rex, when we write things

00:30:57
down, that can be incredibly powerful.

00:31:02
The way that I look at songwriting, I've

00:31:05
kind of stolen this phrase a little bit from another

00:31:09
keynote speaker that I was speaking at an event for a

00:31:12
year or two ago and he had said

00:31:15
something along the lines of you know to meditate is to

00:31:18
pray is to talk to God and to

00:31:21
meditate is to hear that conversation or to

00:31:24
pray is to talk to God to meditate is to

00:31:27
hear what God has to say back to you the way

00:31:30
that I look at songwriting is the manifestation of that conversation so when

00:31:36
you allow yourself to sit in that moment sit in those feelings sit in those

00:31:41
those potential solutions and actually write down into song whatever's going on for you.

00:31:48
How is that going to serve you in the moment is going to be very different to

00:31:52
how the song serves you when you listen back to it.

00:31:54
And that's going to be very different

00:31:56
to how you listen back to it in two weeks, two months, two years.

00:32:03
I'll give you an example. My song Be Brave, I wrote that in the middle of nowhere

00:32:08
of Connecticut when I was working as the outdoor science education teacher at

00:32:13
an outdoor science education school.

00:32:16
And it was one piano in the entire place or no other instruments, just a piano.

00:32:22
And I decided I was moving to Washington, D.C. after Connecticut.

00:32:27
And that felt right to me that I knew that was what Source was leading me to do. But I was petrified.

00:32:35
I hadn't yet realized I was petrified, but I was petrified. Keep in mind, I'm from New Zealand.

00:32:41
There are four sheep to every human, three cows to every human.

00:32:45
It's a small country, population five million.

00:32:49
I was moving to the nation's capital and arguably the most powerful country in the world.

00:32:54
Okay. That was a lot for me to process. So I sat down at the piano,

00:32:59
I got into my zone, my prayer zone, which is songwriting, and I just started

00:33:04
playing piano, whatever came.

00:33:06
And then these words just came to me, whether it's, you know,

00:33:08
and in my mind, those words are messages from God.

00:33:12
So I wrote this song, Being Brave. And I tell you, that song served me so well

00:33:19
in my move to Washington, D.C.

00:33:21
That song served me so well in March of 2020.

00:33:26
That song served me so well when I went on my first U.S. tour.

00:33:32
That song served me so well when I ended things with my abusive ex.

00:33:39
That song served me so, like, has continued,

00:33:42
but the meaning of that serving serving has changed

00:33:46
and evolved over the years but the lyrics haven't

00:33:50
changed i've changed i've grown and the

00:33:53
song has just continued to evolve with me

00:33:56
because it's mine it's really pretty i i love this i love this i oh my god i

00:34:05
i'm so excited i'm gonna write my song yeah you are i love that so where can

00:34:11
our listeners find your book is it on amazon or It is on Amazon.

00:34:16
If you look up just Emma G on Amazon Books, there is also a link.

00:34:21
What is that? I will be setting up. I don't think it is.

00:34:24
I will set up a link on my website to all of my books.

00:34:28
This is my first interactive workbook, but my third technical book, my third actual book.

00:34:38
Sound like a chicken my third actual book is going

00:34:41
to be coming out in may this in time for my u.s tour

00:34:44
which kicks off in july in partnership

00:34:48
with the hard rock cafe which i'm very excited about

00:34:51
i'll be running youth empowerment through songwriting workshops around

00:34:54
the country which will culminate in performances with the

00:34:58
young people at hard rocks around the country so

00:35:01
i'm really excited about that but it's all amazon but people

00:35:03
can you know the best way really to stay in touch and updated

00:35:07
is to hit to my website m at g music.com and

00:35:10
sign up for my newsletter so that i update you as things

00:35:13
progress i love this thank you

00:35:16
so much emma this has been wonderful honestly oh yes like you

00:35:19
and my eyes you open my ears i'm so

00:35:22
excited about this you are fantastic you're you

00:35:25
are just you're badass thanks one to

00:35:28
no one yeah thanks true to no one thank you i

00:35:32
really appreciate it guys it's it's i know

00:35:36
this like it feels like a lot to a lot of people you know because when

00:35:39
i first moved here i was just emoji the musician the singer

00:35:41
songwriter and things have very much evolved but you know it's it this is the

00:35:46
hard work i love this i love it i love this you're fantastic i am so excited

00:35:54
to get this out for you bye y'all thank you so so much for listening to this episode. I'm G-Rex.

00:36:00
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