Part 2: Deane’s Healing: Hypnosis, the Subconscious Mind, and Taking It Back

[00:00:01] Hi all, this is part two of a two-part episode.

[00:00:36] Join us as we break the stigma and build a community of understanding and compassion. Tune in and let's start talking about the shit that goes on in our heads. You said the majority of what you work with is people with anxiety. Is this a tool, like how often do you have to see them for them to, I guess, get into a better place with their anxiety? That's a great question.

[00:01:02] So, for anxiety, the way that I work is on the very first session, I like to help people by empowering them with all of their hypnosis. Our brains work best with a reward. You know, that anxiety that we had as kids, it doesn't feel like it's a reward. But to the subconscious mind, there's a reward function, which is I didn't die, right?

[00:01:31] That's plenty enough reward for it to become a part of just how you live your life. So here, what we want to do is, as long as your life today is safe, that's my very first question that I ask people. I've had it happen where someone has come in more than once and they say, oh, I've got this terrible anxiety. Okay, well, in your life today, are you safe?

[00:01:58] Are you secure physically, mentally, emotionally? If the answer is no, you don't need hypnosis. You need to find a way to get yourself safe. And I can help facilitate that when you're ready. But all the hypnosis in the world isn't going to keep you from being anxious if somebody is hurting you because that is, in fact, the correct response to being under threat.

[00:02:25] But usually, somehow, human beings are able to, without any roadmap at all, create a life of peace and connection and love and kindness. It's always incredible to me how many of us are able to do that, given that we didn't have any real foundation of that in our lives.

[00:02:50] So, what we're really trying to do then is take what you know cognitively, consciously, is the life that you live and allow your patterns to match that. The problem is, right now, there's a mismatch. And it's upsetting because there's nothing for me to be scared of or anxious about in the moment.

[00:03:12] But I have this strong feeling and I'm sick to my stomach and my heart's beating fast and my palms are sweating and I can't go into the grocery store or whatever it is. Well, there's no conscious reason that you know of for that response to be there. That's how you know it's subconscious. What I do, though, if that's the case, is I ask my clients to come to the first session with a good memory.

[00:03:38] It could be any moment in your life where you felt calm or peaceful or loved or happy, comfortable, watching a sunset, accomplished, confident. I don't really care what the feeling was. Whatever it is, it feels better than feeling anxious and not knowing why. We've all had the experience driving down the road and a song comes on the radio you haven't heard in 20 years or whatever. And all of a sudden, oh, I'm back with those people in that time and that feeling.

[00:04:08] And that's what we do in the chair. I'm going to, the only kind of regression I do is a regression into this very positive moment. When you're in this positive moment, a few things are happening. One, you're in a trance. So when you're in a trance, trances by their nature are therapeutic because it allows your body through suggestion and guidance to discover what it feels like to release all tension.

[00:04:35] All tension, particularly the way the suggestions that I use are crafted are tensions related to this old tragedy or trauma or stress, no matter how long it's been there, just as an experiment. Because for years, people have said, like they used to say to me, calm down, relax, what the fuck are you so upset about?

[00:04:57] But if I don't know what it feels like internally to not be upset, you're just going to piss me off because you're asking me to reference something that I don't have. So part of that hypnosis is noticing. This is what it feels like. Take a few minutes. Acquire the language inside yourself to describe what this is. I don't need to ever hear those words. This isn't for me. It's for you. That's part of it.

[00:05:23] The other part of it is a regression into your good memory so that you're there in that moment seeing what you saw, hearing what you heard, noticing what you noticed. But in particular, feeling that good feeling. Notice it. Where do you carry that good feeling in your body? Focus on it. When you focus on that feeling, that's happening because your brain is releasing that same chemical cocktail that made you feel that way back then.

[00:05:53] You're also more suggestible than at any other time. So I'm going to suggest, now rub your fingers together. Rub your tongue on your teeth. What we're doing is we're creating what's called a hypnotic anchor. We're anchoring through suggestion back to that moment. So that in your waking life, when you come to that place where you're sitting outside the grocery store and you start to feel that feeling, you rub your fingers together and you bring yourself back over to that good feeling. Our brains work really well that way.

[00:06:23] Our brains work off of a reward system best. So there is no reward to feeling anxious and miserable. But there's a reward to feeling good in the moment. Through repetition, that becomes the new pattern. We didn't get our anxious responses and negative self-talk and all that from one experience. We've repeated it unknowingly time and time and time again.

[00:06:50] So it makes sense that to create a new response, you want there to be a reward and you want it to be repeatable. So I tell my clients, if you use your anchor 10,000 times in the first week, that's 10,000 opportunities for you to wire this new response to the old stimuli.

[00:07:10] So the other piece that's happening though is just going into a trance, very light trance, has a tendency to reduce strong emotions. All of us have been angry or upset, I guess, at some point and gotten in the car and squealed out of a driveway or a parking lot. And you know, after a few minutes, you're still thinking about that thing that was upsetting, but the emotional part gets quiet. That's a byproduct of going into these very light hypnotic states.

[00:07:41] When I say use your anchor, you're opening the door to trance, but you're not closing your eyes and falling into a deep trance like in the movies. It's just like a feeling that comes over your body. And it's the other part of what we want to do in that session is we're building a very clear image of the future self. Who do I intend to be? Where do I want to go?

[00:08:07] You have to tie that idea of the future self to the anchor as well. Because every time you use the anchor, you are in fact manifesting episode by episode that future that you want. And so it all flows really beautifully. And that future self for all of us, the future self is the most important person in your life.

[00:08:30] Every decision you make today affects the person who you'll be next week, next month, next year. And so to be able to start shaping how you respond means my future self is coming into being. In my sessions, you know, we are going to see that future self. We're going to experience life from that perspective.

[00:08:58] And all that gets tied back into what the anchor means to that person in a moment. It's incredibly effective. It's incredibly helpful. And what I've seen time and time again is even with people who have severe anxious responses, it helps. There's a series of other tools that I share because, you know, sometimes people run headlong into a trigger.

[00:09:24] And, you know, we're still learning this part for the first week or so, the anchor part. So, if things go from zero to 60, I want you to have tools to manage that response. It all works together really powerfully. But for me, that's the first session. And then the subsequent sessions are about the root cause of this response.

[00:09:49] And the response, what we work with is what you experience today. We don't need to go looking for the first time you ever felt that feeling or anything. Like, I don't care about all. I mean, I care because it affected you. I'm a caring person. But too much emphasis and focus has been on the traumas of the past already. Let's just deal with the symptom as you experience it today. The symptom as you experience it today is an accurate compass.

[00:10:18] It's going to guide us to this part of you. So, really what we're doing in those subsequent sessions is hypnotic parts therapy. We're finding the part of you that carries that particular response. When you get a trauma response like that, it's like getting a splinter that you can't get out. If you've ever had a splinter you can't get out, you know, every time it brushes up against something, that hurts, right? That's a trigger.

[00:10:47] So, in that session we use the feeling as you experience it today to guide us to that part that I call the splinter. And then we very carefully take a look at that splinter. And when you look at that splinter, what is the you that had that experience? Same age, same mindset, same worldview, same emotions, all of it frozen in time. That's part of what's so frustrating about these patterns is, you know, if you fall into a pattern of anger,

[00:11:17] all of a sudden I'm up here and I'm super angry and everything is pissing me off and don't talk to me, don't do anything. But then when it's over you think, God, why was I such an asshole? Why did I say that? I wish I hadn't done that. But anger is like a trance. You get into it and until it's over, you're in it. Anxiety is the same way. I refer to so many of these kinds of states where once you're tipped over into it, it's not over until it's over.

[00:11:45] And when it's over, it's like, oh shit, now I'm back. And I'm kind of wishing I hadn't done everything the way that I did it. But I did again. Fuck. So to be able to interrupt those patterns with something like an anchor is very powerful. You might need to interrupt that several times, but it's a coming back and a coming back and a coming back.

[00:12:12] Every time you do that though, and you're still safe, the world didn't collapse, nobody hurt you. Your brain is learning, oh, maybe that old response isn't the only response there can be. And that's where the long term permanent shift happens by repetition and safety and safety in repetition.

[00:12:39] So usually I sit with people somewhere between three to six times. Some people more, some people less. I use conversational hypnosis with all of my clients. I teach it. And it's just a way of when you're talking with people before the deep trance work starts, I'm talking with you to kind of nudge you beyond your bullshit answer that you give to everybody, including yourself and you have for decades.

[00:13:06] And the best way to do that is just be relentlessly, kindly curious. I wonder why do you do that? What's that all about? And then there's an answer. I wonder why that's your answer. And then eventually that person just goes into that place where like, I don't know.

[00:13:27] It's, I guess, I think, maybe those are the moments where you're moving beyond the conscious mind. The conscious mind has now exhausted all of its answers that it always gives. And the only place left to look is in the subconscious mind. That's like tilling the beautiful plant that we're going to be putting into the soil of the subconscious mind when we do the deeper trance work.

[00:13:56] So it all works together really beautifully. And I just, I, every session is different. I don't do the same thing every single time. But there are elements of it that I do use for each person. I always use anchors because I find that that's the most empowering thing that I can do for people. Most of the people I see have felt disempowered for decades.

[00:14:22] And so to suddenly discover that there is a way that I can emotionally regulate that I'm not trying to do it all in my head. There's an external thing. It's like tapping a brake on the car. Oh, I'm getting ramped up. I do. I still, I use my anchor all the time. I've been doing it for decades. When I'm sitting with clients, I know, because I see their eyes go over to my hand and I'm rubbing my fingers together. And I said, oh yeah, see, I still use my anchor.

[00:14:51] It's a way to take these kind of very light trance states. And then you can kind of dive down a little bit further if you want to focus in. If you want to remember what people are telling you without having to take a bunch of notes, I'm not a very good note taker. But the subconscious mind has unlimited storage capacity. So when people come to see me for consultations, I don't take notes.

[00:15:15] Because if I have a name on a piece of paper, I have to keep that piece of paper for a number of years. And it really adds up. Not everybody comes back after the consultation, believe it or not.

[00:16:05] In the consultation, I'm using my hypnosis. If I don't need it, it's not hurting anything because it's unlimited storage capacity. So I'm not really hurting myself either. What do you do to take care of yourself through all of this? That's a really good question. So that is one of my long-term things that I've been working on. I would say, well, just recently here, I started working out.

[00:16:31] So I have a long, storied, difficult history with my physical self and body. When I was very young, I wore leg braces and thick glasses. I was always the heavy kid. I was always the bully magnet. And I didn't really take PE because I wore leg braces. I'd go to the library. I loved reading. I still love reading books. I used to like to read the dictionary, the encyclopedias.

[00:17:01] Like that's who I was, poetry. I was, you know, I was just perfect target for bullies. My mom was a big bully. My dad was not a bully per se, but he just wasn't that invested in anything that I did. My older brother was a bully. My grandfather who I lived with was a bully.

[00:17:24] You know, so it was just all these people were unkind or not that interested. And so outside of the house, everybody was just mean. So I really pulled into this mental development, mental strengthening.

[00:17:46] So as I got older, I've had times where I've been thinner and heavier and thinner and heavier, but I've never worked out, never exercised. It's only been in the last like year or so that I've worked my ways. I've got this gigantic list of things about myself that I want to work on and how I respond and how I do things. But finally, well, here we are. It's time to start going to the gym and working out.

[00:18:13] So what I do is I create a hypnosis session for myself. I record it and then I do myself hypnosis. And now my process is I go to the gym three days a week. I do like a cardio three days a week, about 75 minutes or 90 minutes a week. And I do weights, legs and upper body two days a week. And then I fast on the weekends. And that is not always easy.

[00:18:41] But I found that I feel so much better in my physical body than I ever have because it's not a struggle. See, once your subconscious mind is kind of on the page and you see that future self where you want to be, every single decision you make is either taking you towards or away from that. And when it's very clear, it becomes almost painful to do things that move you away from it.

[00:19:12] So there are plenty of days when, you know, at the end of my work day, there's a gym in my building. It couldn't be any easier. But I sit in my client chair, recliner, a big comfortable recliner. And I think, oh, God, I really don't want to go work out. But I rub my fingers together and I think about where I want to be, which is a place I've never been, which is a person who's, you know, physically comfortable in their body. And so that's been a big thing that I have focused on for myself.

[00:19:40] I've spent countless hours working on my mental development. I always take time to go walk home when the weather is decent. I love nature. I love looking at trees. I still do art. I don't do it as a profession anymore. But, you know, around Christmas time, I make jewelry for family and friends. I draw.

[00:20:05] So those are the kinds of things that I do that really nurture me. And I still do my own self-hypnosis on the weekends. But... So I have a question. Because, you know, we talked a lot about like adults and hypnotherapy. What about kids? Oh. Like what is the earliest age that kids could get into hypnotherapy?

[00:20:29] Because a lot of what we've talked about are things that can actually help kids as they get a little older in life. I work with kids starting around age six. And so, you know, kids that age, they're not... They don't have that six and younger. I don't work with younger than six, but I started around age six. They don't have that critical faculty of their mind yet.

[00:20:56] So you have to explain to them a little bit like, what are we trying to do here? But kids like that, they go into hypnosis, they have imaginary play all the time. When kids go into that imagination place, they are in a hypnotic, suggestible place. So what I like to do is I like to play hypnotic games.

[00:21:18] I had a boy here who had terrible migraines and he had stopped going to school because he had such bad migraines. And then his mom had to stay home with him because he wasn't going to school. And he was in pain a lot of the time. But he absolutely loved robots. And he loved outer space. And he loved underwater.

[00:21:42] So in his session, we just had him close his eyes and imagine that he was inside a giant robot suit. That once he's in this suit, he wears a helmet that makes him feel very comfortable. And when he's in this suit, he can go up into space. He can go underwater. He can walk around. He can do all this stuff.

[00:22:04] And when he would come in with a migraine and he would go through this process, by the time it was over, the migraine would be gone through a little bit of suggestion. But mostly just getting so wrapped up in this, you know, I'm guiding and setting the stage for this experience. But when the experience is over and the headache is gone, the migraine is gone, then there's a beautiful opportunity to suggest, you know, you did this with your own mind.

[00:22:32] And every time you listen to this, you learn a little more and you can keep that feeling a little bit longer. Isn't that neat? And that's just what happens. And then he did end up going back to school. And now he's thriving. And I think he was 11 or so when we started and now he's about 15, something like that. Still talk to the mom sometimes. I had another youngster here who had some sexual abuse at age seven.

[00:22:57] They were around age 14 when they came in and corroded their capacity to trust other people. And they had all these things they wanted to do with their life, weren't able to do any of them without anxiety and all of this stuff. And for that individual, they had a younger brother.

[00:23:21] And so in that session, it was recognizing that the part of you that had the experience, the negative experience was younger than your little brother is now. But you're not that now. You're grown up. And there's like a mirror. There's all these things that are reinforcing subconsciously in the session this idea that you aren't this powerless person that you once were.

[00:23:45] And so it was talking to that younger version of yourself and telling him, I know how to take care of myself now. I can do that. Once that happened, the pattern was completely broken. And I mean, it was surprising to me as to anyone, but as surprising to me. But in that one session, that was it. And this was, you know, seven years of struggling along.

[00:24:14] I didn't do that for him. And that's always something that I really stress is I don't do anything for anybody. That's good work if you can get it. But I guide you, I'm going to guide you to the place where you can do it yourself based on the reality that you live in today. And so for adults who felt powerless, that's a lot of power. But even for a kid who's had a negative experience, they're different today.

[00:24:41] They know more today than they used to know. And that's how you create that foundation so that they know they'll be able to move through the world with just the right amount of caution to keep themselves safe, no matter what life throws their way. So I really enjoy working with young people. I don't do it as often as I see older people, but when I do, I really enjoy it.

[00:25:07] Believe it or not, sometimes young people like children find me a little bit intimidating. I think it might be a mustache, but I really enjoy it. Okay, that kind of segues me into my two questions for you. Okay. Okay.

[00:25:34] Question number one, if you could go back in time to a younger version of yourself and ask that younger version, or not ask, give that younger version some advice, what will you tell yourself and how old are you when you go back? Oh, wow. Okay. Well, it's funny you should say that because that is, that's exactly how I work with all of my clients in my session.

[00:25:58] That's where my real healing began was doing that session for myself. I would say seven years old. So by seven years old, I had already had some sexual abuse, lots of physical abuse. I already felt like a complete loser piece of shit.

[00:26:18] But the thing that I always walk my clients through is this idea that every child that's ever been born is worthy. Every child that's ever been born is deserving, worthy of love, worthy of care, nurturing, respect, joy. Every child that's ever been born, had they had that, perhaps we wouldn't have some of the monsters in the world that we do.

[00:26:49] But every child started off deserving. I'm not uniquely outside of that. So usually with my clients, we're going to have a conversation about that and then we're going to do some work around that. But for me, I would go back to seven and the first thing I would say or did say is, you know, you're not stupid. That was the thing everybody said about me all the time. My teachers said I was stupid. My parents said I was stupid.

[00:27:18] Everybody around me said, you're just, you're so, my dad, you're so fucking stupid. Are you stupid? That was one of the questions he always asked me. And in hindsight, I always think, if you think I'm stupid, why are you asking me if you think I'm stupid? But anyway, so that profoundly affected my life. You know, I was an artist for 35 years. I love being an artist. As a child from six years old, I wanted to be an artist.

[00:27:45] I created things out of clay and mud and Play-Doh and needable erasers and anything I could. I created a whole world that was smaller than me and felt safer and less overwhelming. And I invested everything about me into this little world. And that was the place where I felt safe. And I never really looked outside of being an artist as a career choice because I always thought, well, I already know how to do this.

[00:28:15] It doesn't matter if I'm stupid. I already know how to do it. So after high school, I just went right into being an artist. I did an apprenticeship to learn ornamental plaster and architectural sculpture. And it just kind of went from there. But so the first thing is you're smart. When I, many years later, before I started that Swiss watchmaking school, my partner found it for me. And she said, you would be really great at this.

[00:28:44] And then I looked at the, what it took to get into the school. And it's like, oh, there's this eight hour entrance exam. And like half of it is math and science. And right away, I said, no way. Are you crazy? I'm, I can't do that. But I went to the, the children's bookstore and I got math books from grade one through high school.

[00:29:07] And going through it on my own without all of that shit all the time, I realized, oh, this does make sense. This does make sense. And so when I sat down and took that test, I went right through that part. And that was one of the areas where I did the very best. That was a huge moment for me because it was the proof of what I had told myself that, you know, you're not stupid. That whole idea is from other people.

[00:29:34] One of the biggest problems we have in life is other people's definitions of us. Other people define us to us when we're young. And we, because we don't know any better, absorb that definition and let it become how we see ourselves. That's right. That's unfair to our soul self. So I would definitely say you're not stupid, but I would say you can do great things.

[00:30:01] You have all the potential and you're worthy of achieving those things. Even hearing myself say it now out loud and fully conscious, I think, wow, I must have come pretty far to be able to say that. And for everyone, all of those things are true. You're absolutely worthy. You are deserving.

[00:30:26] And if anybody ever told you otherwise or if you were made to feel otherwise, that was a mistake. It has nothing to do with you. That's another one of the most empowering things that I did say to myself is this thing that happened, right? Physical, sexual, emotional abuse has nothing to do with you. You were there, obviously, but it's got nothing to do with you.

[00:30:55] That would have happened to any other kid in that place at that time with those individuals around. But it's their thing, not your thing. That was tremendously freeing to be able to look at it and zoom out and say, it's got nothing to do with me. The other thing that I found was very empowering was to say, that's beyond my control. I always used to try to be the person that everybody liked.

[00:31:23] I could be everything to anybody. And I wanted everybody to like me because I really didn't feel like anybody liked me anyway. And so, to be able to say whether somebody likes me or not is really beyond my control means now I just get to be myself and I don't have to worry about it. And paradoxically, the more I am accepting and kind to myself, I'm able to be myself, the more people genuinely like me.

[00:31:53] They try to control other people. And, you know, I fucked up so many relationships trying to do that. And when people wouldn't do what I wanted them to do, I would just go away.

[00:32:13] And, you know, I learned many years later how many people I hurt doing that because they did care about me as neurotic and, you know, dysfunctional as I was. But, you know, if I think you don't like me or I think, you know, that there's a problem, I'm not going to invest in fixing anything. I just go away because I don't really matter anyway.

[00:32:39] So, to recognize that there are these things that are beyond my control means I can just be myself. I had a period of time in my life. It didn't start with the accident. It started with some other things, but there was this car accident and then my dad died. We had a lot of problems, but it was still pretty shocking to me when he died. He died very suddenly.

[00:33:06] And just all of this other stuff and pain and loss. And because I had just gotten out of this watchmaking school unintentionally, one of the things I learned there was how you temper steel. And the way you temper steel is you heat it up until the crystalline structure starts to loosen. And then you beat the shit out of it. And yeah, some carbon or whatever.

[00:33:30] But that metaphor for me was, you know, this is the time when you're getting heated up and you're getting the shit beat out of you. Because that's how you make something that is sharp and flexible and doesn't break under pressure. And having that in my mind as I went through those very difficult times gave meaning and context to those things that wouldn't have been there otherwise.

[00:33:58] The thing I love about my position and situation now is that I've had a lot of really shitty things happen over the course of my life. But here, they have meaning and context. Whether I ever bring it up or not, to sit with somebody who's been very badly beaten, abused, raped, hurt, shot at, whatever.

[00:34:22] And just know within myself that I have my understanding of what that feels like. You know, oftentimes, you know, I'm always in a trance when I work. My clients are in a trance when I work. And I feel like there's some communication that happens in the space between where they're sitting and where I'm sitting. Because oftentimes, I see people online. So they're not right there in a room with me. But it's that connection that happens.

[00:34:52] There's a great quote from Carl Jung. Learn all the techniques. Know all the ways of working. But when you sit with a human soul, just be another human soul. And so that being fully and completely present with another person, to listen fully, not to respond, but to understand.

[00:35:14] And to be in a flow state when we're doing the work and be able to pull out the kind of things to say to that individual person that has resonance and meaning. That's what I learned from all that. I don't know if I even answered your question, but... No, you did. Oh, you did. It was such a great answer. I got caught up. And now for some fun questions. Okay. I hope they don't make you think. But they might. If your anxiety had a theme song, what is it and why? Mmm.

[00:35:43] There's a song by John Prine called Beautiful World. Oh, I love that song. Yeah. So there's a song, I mean, there's a line in that song where he says, beautiful world, why do I hide? Love that. Love, love that. That was my entire life before the car accident. But you still have a beautiful life. I do.

[00:36:07] Well, I just, I hid myself away and hid myself away and hid myself away because I knew I wasn't worth anything. Love that. And people, oh, I'm sorry, go ahead. No, go ahead, go ahead. Well, the people around me, my wife, my partner would always say, you know, I'm going to this party. Why don't you come with me? Everybody loves you. They want to see you. And I'd always say, nobody gives a fuck about me. I'm not going to go to that party. Nobody cares.

[00:36:39] I think the biggest thing I learned is that people do care. Yeah. They do. They honestly do. So what is your spirit animal? That's a good question. Boy, I would probably have a few spirit animals, but probably a dog. You know, I love dogs because they just remind you of what life would be like if you weren't so caught up in everything all the time.

[00:37:09] They're just in the moment, no matter what the moment has to bring. That's true. That's true. Such a great answer. And how can our users, pardon not our users, how can our listeners find you? I have a website. I have a website. It's summit hypnosis n w dot com. That's s-u-m-m-i-t-h-y-s-n-w dot com. That's the best way to get to me.

[00:37:36] I am getting ready in the next few months. I don't have exact dates, but I've got my certification course coming up at the not too distant future. So if anybody's interested in a career as a hypnotist, that's on the table and they can find out more at the website. But the other thing I'm doing that I'm really excited about is I want to do Sunday, just low structure, Sunday hypnosis.

[00:38:02] So just we'll do about an hour and a half, about half an hour at the beginning is going to be helping new people understand what hypnosis is, what it is, and kind of what we're talking about here. But then an hour of just get ready to have a beautiful week, picture that future self, the version of you that's going to arrive at their Friday afternoon after work feeling very calm and very comfortable and happy, pleased with how they handle all the stressors of the week and so on and so forth.

[00:38:29] It's something I've wanted to do for a while and I finally kind of come to a place where it's more doable than it's ever been. Good. I love that. This has been such an awesome conversation and I learned a ton. Yeah. Now I want to go back and try hypnotherapy again. Do it. Well, there you go. Yeah. You know, you can come see me if you want. So, yeah. Well, I'm very happy to hear that I'm very gratified. That's my mission.

[00:39:00] If hypnosis is ever going to get to that place where, you know, going to the hypnotist is no weirder than, you know, going to any other kind of, uh, massage therapist or anything like that. We've got to get rid of this, all the weirdness. And superstition around hypnosis. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. Thank you. Hi, all. Thank you so much for listening to this episode. I'm G-Rex. And I'm Dirty Skittles.

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