Cryptids Galore: Exploring the Mysterious World of Bigfoot, Mothman, and More with Guest Marti

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Speaking of mothman, we have something for

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ready?

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Yes. Oh,

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that is excellent. Oh, my God. I have contemplated buying that

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shirt so many times. I just got to stop being a

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coward. I got to go for it. So you had sent it

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to me in a text message, and I was like, yo, we have to get

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these shirts, so kudos. And I'm

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like, I literally can't wear this outside. We were going to be like, what is

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wrong with this woman? It's also a bumper sticker, if

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that would be better. I thought about getting right

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next to. My PTA car magnet.

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Look out, kids. This is the shit that goes on in our heads.

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Halloween special.

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We're going to be talking about mothman, serial

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killers and so much more wacky

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stuff.

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Hold on.

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Hello? Oh.

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The fucking balloons. Every goddamn time.

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Marty, just so you know, we're on Bizzle's

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laptop, and every time D. Rex and I do the countdown, these, like,

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birthday balloons just, like, float up in the Zoom meeting, and it gets

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us giggling every single time. It's pretty good.

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Yeah. I mean, it lights the mood, for sure. So here we

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are. I have no idea what season we're in or what episode at

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this point, but I do know that today's episode is going

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to be super fucking fun. G. Rex,

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how do you feel about spooky things?

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Well, I live in a house filled with ghosts anyway, so,

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yeah, I'm okay with it. What about moths?

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Do you like that transition straight to moths? Moths kind

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of freaked me out a little bit, but it's all

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right. All right. So for our listeners, what you can't see is that you, Rex,

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and I are currently wearing a shirt that says, the mothman

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ate my entire ass at Denny's.

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And you'll understand why we got that.

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We are joined by a very special guest. Her name is Marty Simone.

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And we're going to just kind of chit chat. We're going to keep it as

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an open dialogue. We're going to talk about weird shit, I think.

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Spooky stuff, maybe mothman,

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possibly. I hope so.

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I always hope that the conversation is somehow going to lead to Mothman.

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I kind of force the issue. Funny, I had to do a

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Wikipedia on Mothman. I'm like, what the fuck is a Mothman?

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Now I know. You're welcome. Yeah, so welcome. Neither of us

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knew what Mothman was until we met Marty. And then literally getting ready today,

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I'm like, hey, siri, tell me about Mothman.

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She just opens up this dialogue about a man. It's a bird that was seen

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or something. So tell us, Marty, why do you

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love Mothman so much? Oh, man. So I'm into all weird

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things. I'm just a generally weird person,

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I guess, but I've always liked

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cryptids. And cryptids are, of course, over animals or creatures that

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are unsubstantiated, like Bigfoot or a Loch Ness monster where people

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report seeing them, but there's not, like solid proof necessarily they exist. I love

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that shit. And I would

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love to eventually have my own podcast where I talk about different cryptids

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from each one of the states because there are so many of them. But Mothman

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has my definitely he captured my heart. But I think I got

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into it like cryptids in general. So I grew up in Taylorsville,

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Kentucky, which is really close by Louisville, which nobody knows where Taylorsville

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is. So I just say Louisville most of the time. And we had our own

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cryptid. It was called the Pope Lick Monster. That

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sounds really dirty. Pope. It does, right? They also

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sometimes call him the Goat Man. But what it was

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also pretty dirty. But I grew up hearing that

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legend all of the time from other kids and even adults, and

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some people were genuinely convinced that he exists. So

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he was out on Pope Lake Road. That was the name

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of, hence poplic monster. People aren't very creative in Louisville,

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Kentucky. I don't know what to tell you.

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He is described as being this creature that

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is half man, half goat, half sheep. And

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sometimes, depending on who's telling the story, he also has deer like features, kind of

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like a windigo, which I think is funny, that he's half this, half that. And

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I'm like, that's not how percentages work.

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But anyway, some people think he was like a science experiment that went

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wrong. And then other people say that he was like a

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farmer that sacrificed his goats to the devil and got turned

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into this creature. But the only thing that stays consistent throughout the

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entire story is that he will lure people out onto

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this 90 foot tall trellis or what do you call it,

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trestle that goes over Pope Lake Road. It's a train trestle. He'll

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lure people out there to their deaths. Either they get pushed off the track by

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the Goat Man or a train comes through. And there's been at

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least eight or nine deaths associated with that

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trestle, including, like the most recent one, which happened in

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2019, I think, where it was like a woman and her

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boyfriend went out there to find the Goat Man. They were on the trestle, a

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train came through. He managed to hang off the side, but unfortunately she fell and

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she passed. Suss? Yeah, a little

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bit. I'm like, okay. So, yeah, I guess you could say my

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monster obsession kind of started there. And then I spiraled into

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drawing monsters and sculpting monsters out of Play DOH. And I

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actually have an art business now where that's what I do professionally.

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I know. And your art's awesome. Oh, thanks. Guess it paid off for

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me. The other bit of this is that

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my mom's best friend actually lived off of Pope Lake Road and on

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the top of a hill, and the train and the trussle were right in

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her backyard, so I was terrified. And she had this big

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cabin with open like the entire back of the cabin was glass and

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open, so you could see like the scenic it was very pretty up there.

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But I was terrified to be there at night, which I often was because my

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mom would drop me off and be like, okay, see you in a little bit.

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She'd babysit me. And one night I'm sitting out there and I'm

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stupidly staring into the dark, kind of like daring anything to mess with

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me. I was like a punk ass little kid. And I

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saw something suddenly. I saw like, glowing eyes, big

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horns, and I'm like, sitting there about to shit my pants.

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And so I scream. I realize it's like a ten point buck. He's also

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scary and he runs away.

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But that's as close as I ever got to seeing the Pope Lick monster. You're

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like, not today, pope Lick monster. Yes. Try something. Go

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ahead. So random question. Did you ever get like, if you don't behave,

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I'm going to put you out there? Was that ever a threat to get you

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to behave properly? No. I can't remember

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anybody telling me that. It was more like a state. I think it was more

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of a cautionary tale, really, to keep people from going on that trestle.

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Yeah. Not safe, for sure. Not a great

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idea. It's like 90ft in the air. Not good. I feel like we all

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have stories like that with where we grew up.

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So I grew up in Rhode Island, and I don't even remember the name of

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the road, but there was always like, everybody has that road or that street

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where if you go at like, you're going to see something.

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And I remember we used to do it every Halloween because we were also punk

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ass kids. We were like, yeah, dude, let's go on this dirt road, turn off

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our lights, and just wait for danger to come and find us. Oh, god,

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what we did. But I remember the story kind of was

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like if you went out on this road and it was like off the

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beaten path, like you had to really want to get there. There was all of

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a sudden, like these old abandoned houses. And the story was if you went

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there, people would come out because there was like a cult that lived in

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these woods that would kill people that went out on the road. And so for

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sure, every Halloween, you would just see like, cars lined up to go out onto

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this road. And everybody would give you like ten minutes to turn off your light.

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And for sure there had to be like, locals that were just fucking with kids

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because there were people in those woods. And every year we would get

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scared and we're like, fuck this. We're out and peel out of this dirt road.

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I don't know why we do that shit as kids. Yeah. In

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Colorado, there's a ton of ghost towns because of all the gold mining out

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there. So we used to go out to the old caves

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and everybody's like, don't go in, don't go in. But kids are

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stupid surprised that we made it to 60.

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We would go out there and we'd like hang out in the beginning of the

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cave and just the

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stories people told. Do you ever see anything weird out

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there? Oh yeah, all the fucking time. But it was usually like

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a bear or a

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deer or a coyote because we'd be

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out there at night and we turn our flashlights off.

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We'd probably be stoned.

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You don't know if it's real or not. I've seen all kinds of things

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and laughing. That's fun. So are

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you a fan of spooky stuff now? Like horror movies, haunted

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houses? Yeah, very much. Actually, next weekend I'm going

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to Halloween horror Nights. I go every year. Yeah,

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I'm part of the there's. We have like a discord channel where we all

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get together on Friday nights and we watch scary movies, usually terrible B movies, whatever

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we can find, which is super fun. So yeah, I'm very much

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in the Orlando horror scene. There's a local oddity

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store that features some of my art and sells it there. And

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yeah, I'm just like all around super into creepy

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stuff and my office is decorated to look like Halloween all year

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round. I love that though. Yeah,

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that's cool. I like fun with it. Yeah.

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So what should we talk about? I think you were going to do like

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research or something or you were. Going to I did, yeah. I wanted to give

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you guys a fair little brief summary of Mothman

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because I always want to know what other people think of this stuff. Also,

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I don't talk about it with a lot of my friends because I think they

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well, some of my friends are cool and into it and then I feel like

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I'm calling people out. I'm sorry, friends. I'm not talking bad about you, but some

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of them are not as into this stuff and I know that they can tell.

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I can tell. They think I'm like a quack or something, but I want

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to believe. So little background on Mothman.

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Besides him going down on people in Denny's parking lot.

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Eating the entire ass. Just the entire ass. He's really

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committed to the bit.

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No ass left uneatened. I don't know.

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I mean, Denny's is probably the place you would need it, so that's true. All

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that flavor after a nice meal. No, sorry. That's gross.

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So gross. Oh my God.

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Okay. I don't even know how to segue, so I'm just going to start.

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So yeah, I'll set the stage. So Mothman the first time he was

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ever cited and this is kind of debated, but I'm going to go from what

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my heart tells me because it's an urban legend. So

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November twelveTH, 1966. There's two guys, they're working in the cemetery. They're

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digging graves on the graveyard. Shift. Ha.

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It's very dark out, but they hear something overhead. And so they shine their

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flashlights up and they see a large bird

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like dark creature with huge, red, glowing eyes jumping from branch

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to branch. And of course, they piece the fuck out of there and they tell

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everybody in the town about it. And people kind of like, okay, whatever.

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But then a couple of days later, there was another sighting

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of the creature. So there was two couples,

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they were driving down Route 62 together and they were driving

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past, like, an old munitions base where supposedly they

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left a lot of toxic waste and stuff behind when they cleared out.

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So that kind of also sets up the stage for a giant bird

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moth creature, maybe. Yeah, could happen.

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So they were, like, driving down the road and then suddenly they

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see this creature standing off to the side of the road. And again, it's like

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huge. It's seven or 8ft tall. It's got wings and glowing red eyes,

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and it's dark. And all them they're like, Fuck, no. So they

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start hauling ass. The guy just hits the pedal, but they notice that

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it rises up into the air and it chases them. And

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he swears he got up to 100, had no problem

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following them. But as soon as they hit the city limits of Point

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Pleasant, Virginia, and left those limits I don't know if

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he's bound there or something, he stopped he stopped following.

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Um, I wonder if he was attracted now. I think about like, was he attracted

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to their headlights? He's a moth. Oh, yeah. I wonder if

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you're already cracking the case. Yeah, there you go.

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That makes total sense, actually. Yeah. So that

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sheds some light on the

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possible reasons he was chasing them

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stupid. And this is the

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point where people turn this episode off. No.

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So anyway, the next day, the story was all over the news because it wasn't

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a huge town and they had nothing else of this closed news day, I guess.

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But I love the headline because it says, couple sees man sized

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bird. Dot dot dot creature. Dot, dot, dot

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something. That's the headline. So

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good. So Mothman became like

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an overnight sensation. And then there started other

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reports started flooding in. There was at least like eight additional sightings.

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And so naturally because of that, an angry mob

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formed because America,

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a bunch of men and their rifles went out into the woods and they

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were determined to try to hunt down the Mothman. But

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somehow he had managed to evade capture. So good for him.

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But eventually the Mothman hype did start to calm down and things

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just kind of, like, returned to normal for Point Pleasant until

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December of 1967,

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actually a little over a year, there was a big tragedy in that

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town, so there was a bridge collapse that ended up killing

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46 people. And then they started

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like the next day the reports started coming in. Well, I saw Mothman on the

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bridge the day before and it was several reports of people being like, I saw

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it. So then people are starting to be like, did he have something to do

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with it? Was he trying to warn people?

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But either way, everybody kind of associated Mothman with that tragedy. Whether

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he was the cause or know a warning or

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wasn't there at it's unknown. But now he's kind of

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synonymous with that story of the town. So

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kind of interesting. But after that, the Mothman

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sightings kind of like waned down quite a bit until

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2016. So a man reported seeing

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him jumping from tree to tree. He had

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just recently moved to Point Pleasant, so he says he didn't know the story of

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Mothman. Somebody like me that loves Mothman, I'm like, I don't believe you,

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but maybe it's true. But

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yeah, he was like, I saw this weird creature jumping from tree to tree, called

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the police to come out and investigate. And then word got around town because again,

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it's not a huge place. And so that

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started to kind of spark Mothman interest again.

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And so he became like headline news again. And then people outside of

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Point Pleasant started talking about him. And then so much so that

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somebody in Chicago reported seeing him apparently taking

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a vacation to the Windy City. Just like flying around from building to

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building. He needed it. And that was in 2019. That's the most recent

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sighting that's been. I've got my fingers doing the

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quotation marks verified.

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Do you would think, like, how old is Mothman? Yeah,

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he'd be a boomer, probably. Yeah. Good for

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him. What's the lifespan of a Mothman, I

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wonder? That's a good question. I don't know. If they get too close to a

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life, they burn. Yeah, he's evaded that this

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whole time. Yeah. Now we know how to catch him. Just get a bat signal.

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Yeah, put a mock on it. See, this is

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why you we're coming. Up with really good resolutions for this problem, this Mothman

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issue. Right. Very pleased with those conversations.

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But like in all seriousness, if I

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saw a man with wings coming at me full

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speed, I'm fucking terrified. I am

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leaving the country. I'm never returning. I am out,

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bud. Never again. Is that like the same fear

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that you have as spiders? No, I think

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Mothman would open up a whole different level of fear because it's

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like, what is he thinking, right? Like a spider. I don't ever

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wonder, what is the spider? Yeah,

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yeah, mothman. I'm like, this guy's fucked up. Like he's

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know it's true. You never know what he's going to do. He might

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fly at your car or interrupt you while you're digging a grave or

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harass you at Denny's.

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You just never know. The guy gets around.

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Busy fellow. I mean, now we know what his diet

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is, right? Yeah,

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that's like a whole new spin on the grand slam.

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Oh, my God. I'm dying. I'm dying. I can't wait for

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Hazel to edit this later. Be like, you took too much time

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talking. And laughing.

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Yeah, well, that's wild.

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Yeah. So it's not necessarily clear whether or not Mothman

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exists. I like to think maybe he does. I think there's a lot of things

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in the world that we don't necessarily know about or haven't discovered.

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So I don't think it's so wild to think that maybe there are

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cryptids out there you just never

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favorite thing my favorite thing about Mothman, of course, goes back to butts again. What

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in the hell is going on? So every year they have a

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festival in Point Pleasant. There's a mothman museum, which I am dying to

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visit. But the best thing is there is like a seven or eight foot statue

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of mothman that is chrome. It's very shiny. But

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people come around from all over to get pictures and make pilgrimage out

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because whoever sculpted him gave him the

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juiciest butt you've ever seen. If you get a minute, Google Mothman's

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butt statue. That has to be where these shirts come from. I was like, why

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it must people love

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this statue. It's gotten the nickname the shiny Heiny and the

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non rusty, dusty he's double

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caked up. He's double caked up on a Tuesday.

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It's insane. I remember when I first heard about the statue as I was doing,

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like, mothman research, like I do like a normal person does in their free

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time. And everyone was like, look at the statue. And so I looked

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at it. I saw it from the front. I'm like, okay, go look for pictures

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of the backside. And I was like, go,

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amazing. Yeah, that would be fun

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to talk to the artist of that. So tell me, what was your motivation?

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What was your inspiration here?

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It's my friend Gay. I don't know who's to

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say. Yeah, he might be fluent. He has no preference.

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Probably just really likes butts. That's all I know. The artist is like, I just

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really like butts, and I think the world should hear my message.

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I love that dude. I love that. Dirty

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skittles is dying. I know

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there's two ways I want to take this conversation, but I'm going to

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go this way first. So Nugget today,

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he's gotten very insightful. He likes to ask you

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questions, and I try my hardest to answer him as honestly

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as possible. Like, I try not to fluff the story, right? And so

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today he asked me because we drove by a

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cemetery. And he's like, mom,

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are zombies real? And I'm like, well, it

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depends on who you ask. That was my approach, thinking. Like, that's where the

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conversation will stop. But he's like, no. He's like, well, I'm asking you.

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And I'm like, fuck. And I'm like, you know what, son?

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I think anything is possible. And he's like, well, where are they?

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And I'm like, well, they're only going to come out when the zombie apocalypse happens.

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And he's like, what's an apocalypse? And I'm like, damn, dude,

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I couldn't get away from this conversation. But he's very

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into creepy stuff.

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Zombies, vampire. He loves this shit. So I

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think he would. That's awesome. This hence is why I took him to that store

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that you were mentioning earlier because he loves that stuff. Like, he

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wasn't scared. He was just looking at all the oddities

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in there and wanting to take something home. And

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I was telling my family afterwards because I was in there with my mom, who

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is definitely afraid of anything spooky. She'll

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watch movies, but she's not going to go to a haunted

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house. So she's in this store with me and she's like,

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where have you brought me? I need to go to church. We need to go

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and say a prayer. And I'm like, mom, chill. We're just looking around,

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bud. The people that own that shop are two of the nicest people I've ever

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met in my entire life. Yeah, they're so sweet. They're like, would you like some

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chai tea? I'm like, sure, and I'm all up in it. Meanwhile,

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Max is like, touching the skeletons.

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And your mom's praying in the corner. Yeah, she made it all the way to

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the back. And there was like a chicken and some candles. And she was like,

00:22:52
I got to go eat in the car. I got to leave. I'm like, hold

00:22:55
on, hold on. But the joke after was literally the

00:22:59
conversation I had with Nugget to get him out of the store because

00:23:03
I made my purchase. I'm ready to leave. And he's like

00:23:07
shaking this jar of teeth. Like I think it was like raccoon teeth or something.

00:23:10
And he's like, mom, can I get this? And I'm like, son, put the jar

00:23:14
of teeth down, dude, we got to go. I

00:23:18
never thought that sentence. That's so cool that he's into that.

00:23:22
Awesome. Yeah, we're going to Salem at the end

00:23:25
of this month because one of his favorite movies is

00:23:29
Hocus Pocus. And just the stuff in Salem in

00:23:33
general, like, he wants to learn about the witches. And that was a tough conversation.

00:23:37
Like, well, why did they all die? And I'm like,

00:23:40
yeah, so yeah,

00:23:44
I know. But I feel like he's

00:23:48
asking, and I want to give him like a five

00:23:52
year old version of the truth, but not just make some

00:23:55
story or dismiss the conversation. So it's always

00:23:59
conversations with a five year old are always fun. My

00:24:02
son's one, so he's not quite there, but I'm sure he will have questions because

00:24:06
his room is cryptid themed. So I had it set up to look like you're

00:24:09
camping. So you walk in, it looks kind of like a little campsite. And then

00:24:13
in between the trees and the shelves and all the cutesy little bears and raccoons,

00:24:17
I've hidden a bunch of different cryptids. There's Bigfoot, and I have a yeti in

00:24:20
there and I have Loch Ness monster and a Puck wedgie. I have two different

00:24:23
types of mothman, the Fresno night crawlers. I have

00:24:27
quite a few just kind of tucked here and there. So I'm sure one day

00:24:31
he's going to be like, what are those anyway? And I can't

00:24:35
wait to tell him. I can't wait for him to be drawing at school.

00:24:38
And he draws the mothman and the. Teacher is going to be like, what. Is

00:24:42
happening at home? Or she'll be like, that's the

00:24:45
mothman. Maybe she'll be a really cool teacher. I

00:24:49
know, right? Besides the mothman. The other question I was curious

00:24:53
about is there anything non cryptid that you find

00:24:57
interesting that's equally as weird?

00:25:01
Yeah, actually I also love ghost stories and

00:25:05
that kind of thing. I've seen some weird stuff. One of my best friends is

00:25:08
a paranormal investigator, so I make her report back to me on all of her

00:25:12
findings. I love that kind of stuff. I like going

00:25:16
into old cemeteries and doing toonstone rubbings. And I just think it's really

00:25:20
fascinating to see what the different styles are through the years. And

00:25:23
then people a lot of people think I'm very

00:25:27
morbid, but I don't think I am. I think it's more like life

00:25:31
is short and also we should remember people. I

00:25:35
don't know where I'm going with this. I'm getting all sentimental. But life is short

00:25:37
and sometimes it's nice to be reminded of that in a weird way. Also,

00:25:41
it's kind of cool to see the tombstone wrappings and that's somebody's life.

00:25:45
That's a person that existed. So I don't know. Yeah,

00:25:48
I'm into most paranormal spooky things, not super into

00:25:52
aliens. I believe they exist. I'm just very scared of the thought of them. So

00:25:55
I put that on the that's the only thing I'm just kind of like I

00:25:58
don't like that.

00:26:02
You would love it up here. So we are like five houses

00:26:06
away from a really old cemetery, probably from the

00:26:09
16 hundreds. And our house was part of the

00:26:13
Underground Railroad. So we have a couple of ghosts in the

00:26:17
house. They're young and very active,

00:26:21
especially right around Halloween ish time. Yeah, they

00:26:25
are insane. So we had lived up here

00:26:29
almost three years,

00:26:33
maybe two. Anyways, I'm upstairs laying in my bed and

00:26:37
I feel something brush against my toes

00:26:42
and I'm like, okay. So I try and go back to sleep,

00:26:45
go back to sleep and I feel it again and it really feels

00:26:49
like so I have a sleep number bed. And

00:26:53
so it felt like the bottom of the bed sunk down a little bit

00:26:57
and something was brushing against my

00:27:01
toes. So then I immediately turn on my fucking

00:27:04
light. Now I sleep with my light on. So

00:27:08
I called one of the guys here in the village who's really into

00:27:12
the paranormal and everything, and he

00:27:15
said it's a young man, he's around

00:27:19
probably ten years old and just feels very comfortable in my room. He's like, what

00:27:22
you need to do is have a discussion with him

00:27:26
and tell him to go play in the hall. So I have a little

00:27:29
discussion with a ghost. I can't see, but I can feel. I can feel the

00:27:33
presence. Right. I'm like, listen, you can play in my room

00:27:37
anytime you want from like eight until five and then you got to play in

00:27:40
the fucking hall. And so my friends like, put some

00:27:44
board games or something out in the hall to attract them out there.

00:27:48
So I do that. Get up. The next morning. Now, the

00:27:52
cats all have their own rooms and they're locked in, right? Get up.

00:27:56
The games are now 2ft away from where I originally put

00:27:59
them. Oh, wow. Okay. I have

00:28:03
since Saged the fuck out of my room. Like, don't fucking

00:28:07
come back. He used to play in my

00:28:10
wife's room and until she yelled at him and then he came over to my

00:28:13
place. So

00:28:17
what's really cool is that the people that owned the house before us

00:28:23
had twin boys, young, and they used to

00:28:26
be able to talk to the ghost. And the ghost used to stand

00:28:30
at the bottom of the stairs and sing

00:28:33
Ferrasaca in perfect French.

00:28:37
Perfect. And they had an old picture in the

00:28:40
house. It was a young black family. And every time they

00:28:44
hung the picture up, when they would come back down the next morning, the picture

00:28:48
would be on the floor because apparently the ghost

00:28:51
didn't like that picture. That's creepy.

00:28:55
Yeah. But the house itself is very healing.

00:28:58
So when you walk into the house, you can feel the

00:29:02
healing energy in the house. And so the ghost

00:29:05
itself, like I said, he's just a kid, but

00:29:09
man, he gets a little ramp up just sometimes. As long as

00:29:13
he's not threatening or causing too much trouble. Yeah, that's a nice idea to

00:29:16
set board games and things out that children would like so that he has something

00:29:20
to do. I imagine he would get pretty bored after your first hundred years or

00:29:24
so of being a ghost. Yeah. And what's funny is the

00:29:28
cats all sense the presence too. Yeah. And

00:29:31
so they are all very active. We have three

00:29:35
cats upstairs and you can hear them upstairs, like bouncing around and

00:29:38
playing. And they're all in separate rooms. Do you think maybe

00:29:42
he goes in and plays with the cats? I think so,

00:29:46
Dang. I think I'd let him stay too. I just like, hey, just let me

00:29:49
get my rest. I need to get my sleep in. You got

00:29:53
2700 sqft. Do whatever the fuck you want. Maybe

00:29:57
don't come in here between the hours of 11:00 P.m. And 07:00 a.m.. That would

00:30:01
be fine. That's fair. Set the boundaries.

00:30:05
Yeah. God, I feel

00:30:08
like I don't have anything like that. I have

00:30:12
weird stories. So when I also lived in

00:30:16
upstate New York and at the time, Bizzle

00:30:19
was. Going. He was debating on whether or not starting a T

00:30:23
shirt printing company. And so we were in

00:30:27
Elmira, New York, and we went to look at the

00:30:31
potential office space for this T shirt printing company.

00:30:34
And there was these two buildings.

00:30:38
They were part of a historical society. I have no idea how long they have

00:30:41
been standing there, other than if you bought one, you had to get the other

00:30:45
one. It was like two for one deal. And I thought, that's really weird,

00:30:48
right? It was relatively inexpensive for two

00:30:52
buildings, and they were huge. They were like three stories, three or four

00:30:56
stories tall. So we go, and the

00:30:59
realtor is, like, I don't actually have a key to get in

00:31:03
through the front door, so we all need to look for door and see if

00:31:06
there's one that's open. And we're like, that doesn't sound

00:31:09
sketchy. Okay. It was literally

00:31:13
me and Bizzle and his friend.

00:31:17
And we go, and we find the back door has

00:31:20
basically been kicked open by, like, who knows what or who, right? So

00:31:24
we're like, well, this door is open. I guess we're going in. And the whole

00:31:27
time, I'm telling Bizzle, like, I don't know. This doesn't feel right. Like, this doesn't

00:31:30
feel right. We shouldn't be here. We go look at the first building.

00:31:34
And when I tell you that,

00:31:39
it was as if the people who were there before

00:31:42
just got up and left but left everything

00:31:46
behind, that was it. So the first building, it used to

00:31:50
be like an old I'm guessing like a hardware store where they

00:31:53
sold paint and paintbrushes and all this stuff. So we walk

00:31:57
in, and I immediately start eyeing all these antique,

00:32:01
vintagey type of things, like everything from soda, like

00:32:04
Coca Cola was stocked, these old Coca Cola bottles. And

00:32:08
there was, like, this huge copper cash register,

00:32:12
like those old school ones. And so I asked the realtor,

00:32:15
I'm like, okay, if we get these two buildings, do we get everything

00:32:19
inside? And she's like, yeah. And I was like,

00:32:23
me. I'm like adding the value

00:32:26
of these items. Also, the cash register makes that sound.

00:32:30
Yeah, maybe that's what you were

00:32:33
hearing.

00:32:38
Well, we actually did open it up to look inside, and there was just IOUs

00:32:41
like it was really fucking weird. Oh, no. So we're

00:32:45
touring the first building. It's a paint shop on the bottom floor

00:32:48
hardware store. And then the second and third floor looked to be

00:32:52
office spaces, right? And it was such an old building.

00:32:55
Like, parts of the ceiling were falling in. There was definitely, like, mold. So

00:32:59
now I'm like, shit, like, deducting, right, from all this value that we saw

00:33:02
downstairs. And so we asked, can we see the second building?

00:33:06
And she was a little hesitant, pulled the same

00:33:10
thing. Well, I don't know how to actually get inside the second building

00:33:14
because we don't have a key to the outside door. And we're like, well,

00:33:17
it's really important. Like, we have to see it or whatever. So

00:33:21
there's a hole in a wall that we had, all

00:33:25
four of us. The realtor me, Bizzle, and his friend had to climb through this

00:33:28
hole to get to the other building. And

00:33:32
it immediately led us to, like you could tell the

00:33:36
front door of this building when you open it up, you just saw this grand

00:33:39
staircase. There was nothing else, right? And it had, like, the tin

00:33:42
roof. So I was like, oh, this is so cool. But it's

00:33:46
dark. There's no lighting, and I could just see, like,

00:33:51
newspapers all over the floor. And I'm like, what the heck is

00:33:54
going on? So we go up these stairs, and it looked like there

00:33:58
was definitely a fire at some point.

00:34:02
Water damage. The third floor had completely caved into

00:34:06
the second, and that first level

00:34:09
was after you go up the stairs was an apartment.

00:34:14
Clothes, shoes, toothbrushes, toothpaste,

00:34:17
beds, toys, shoes, like, left

00:34:21
weird from, like, I don't know, the or

00:34:25
sixty s. It was old, old stuff. And I'm like,

00:34:29
this. Like, I feel like we're in somebody's home. It had, like,

00:34:32
an inch of dust on it, so it wasn't like anybody was actively living there.

00:34:35
This is, like, old shit. But they didn't take anything. It was

00:34:39
just they themselves had left. There was family photos. It was

00:34:43
really fucking weird. And of course, I'm like, oh,

00:34:47
my gosh, we got to go. We are not allowed

00:34:51
to be in here. We got to go. I'm feeling that vibe of like, get

00:34:53
the fuck out of our house. But Bizzle

00:34:57
is all about a deal, and now this is like a museum to him. He's

00:35:01
like, oh, let's check out this. And I'm like, no, we got to go,

00:35:04
bud. But they had, like, this I

00:35:08
remember the stove was like one of those old stoves.

00:35:12
So we have pictures somewhere online, if he still has them. But

00:35:16
we started taking pictures of everything because we thought, well, if

00:35:20
we do get these buildings, I want to know how much the stuff is worth.

00:35:23
We go to the second apartment that was there. Same scenario.

00:35:27
All the stuff is left. Family photos. There was keys,

00:35:31
jewelry. There was, like, a little kids room, which was super fucking

00:35:34
creepy. And we ended up, all of us, at the same time,

00:35:38
realizing, like, we got to go. Something is really off. We got to leave. So

00:35:42
we leave the building. We start reviewing the photos after, because we're

00:35:46
telling everybody this story of, like it's just how strange this is.

00:35:50
And on the back door I shit you not. The door that we walked in

00:35:53
that had been kicked in, there was, like, these two handprints that you couldn't see

00:35:57
as you're standing looking at the door. They weren't there. It's after. When you're

00:36:01
looking at the photos, there were two handprints on the store. And I'm like,

00:36:05
we got, no, we can't go back. We cannot fucking do this.

00:36:08
But it was so interesting to me that I remember

00:36:12
in upstate New York going to the Historical Society

00:36:16
to get information. Like, what were these buildings? Who lived there?

00:36:20
Why is all their shit there? And the Historical Society is like, we

00:36:24
actually lost all those records in a huge fire, so we don't know.

00:36:28
And I'm like, what? I'm like, no,

00:36:31
we're out. Like, count us out, dude.

00:36:36
That is so creepy. I wonder what happened to those people. I

00:36:39
know. I would have done the same thing. I would have tried to track down

00:36:42
the information somehow, but the fact that the records are gone makes

00:36:46
it so much creepier, so eerie. This is

00:36:50
weird, dude. I remember us even digging as

00:36:54
far as we met with somebody that was writing about the history of

00:36:57
that area, but she was writing it specifically on serial killers and

00:37:01
stuff like that. So we had even asked her, is there anything that you found

00:37:05
about these spaces? And the only thing that we got confirmation on was that

00:37:08
hardware store, that the owner of that store lived in one of

00:37:12
those apartments, and I guess he was like a raging alcoholic

00:37:16
and there was, like a messy divorce and all of that. But we're like, why

00:37:20
didn't they take any of that shit, though?

00:37:23
It was weird. Dude, that's so uncomfortable. I wonder yeah,

00:37:28
that'll haunt me for a while. Yeah, I mean, thinking about buildings

00:37:32
are like legit apartment buildings. I was like, well, good luck to those people.

00:37:36
Somebody did buy them and made them into, like, rental

00:37:39
apartments. It was fucking weird. I'd love to go in there and try to do

00:37:42
some EVPs. I thought you'd get some weird shit. Yeah, it was

00:37:46
crazy. I got to see if he has those photos. You have the creepiest

00:37:50
stories because didn't you meet a freaking serial killer

00:37:54
when you were a kid, too? Not when I was a kid. I was like,

00:37:57
24 ish in my twenty s a kid.

00:38:03
Wild. Yeah, that was weird. Which apparently,

00:38:06
Marty, you were like, oh, my God, you met the Rhode Island ripper. Is that

00:38:09
what you yeah, you met the Rhode Island Ripper, who I've heard of before. Because

00:38:12
that's another one of my areas of special interest, is I also

00:38:16
find serial killers to be interesting. That is really wild to

00:38:20
me that you were at a party. Is that right? Yeah, it was one of

00:38:23
my close friends that I grew up with.

00:38:28
I won't say her name on here, but it was her daughter's

00:38:32
birthday, and I think it was like, I don't know, maybe her second

00:38:35
birthday. But we're like Hispanic, so give us a

00:38:39
reason to party. We're partying. So it was her second birthday. It was super late

00:38:42
at night. I got there with a person I was dating at the time,

00:38:46
and we're sitting at a table and we're just talking. Just having a conversation,

00:38:50
vibing. And this is why I say, trust your

00:38:54
gut, because all of a sudden, I felt like something

00:38:57
was wrong. And I remember looking over at the door, and this person

00:39:01
caught my eye. This guy walked in, and I don't

00:39:05
know what it was about him, other than, like, if I had to pin it

00:39:08
on one thing. He walks into a party full of single

00:39:12
girls his age, ladies, and

00:39:16
he only focused on my friend's daughter.

00:39:19
And to the point he walked into the door, he knelt down and

00:39:23
was talking to her. Didn't acknowledge anybody else, didn't even look at anybody else. And

00:39:27
I thought, that's weird. And then as he got

00:39:31
up, I remember telling her, hey, there's something

00:39:34
weird about this guy. Get your daughter away from him. There's just something weird like

00:39:38
I'm telling you. And I remember being like, when I get serious, I'm like,

00:39:41
get your daughter the fuck away from this guy. And she's like, okay,

00:39:45
I know him. It's fine. And I'm like, no. She gets her daughter

00:39:49
away, and I continue to kind of watch him, and I remember telling the guy

00:39:52
I was with I was like, we got to go. There's something about this dude.

00:39:56
It's freaking me out. Like, we got to go. He was

00:40:00
just weird, bro. He just had this I believe in

00:40:03
energy, and there was just something gross and

00:40:07
dirty and dark about this guy that it rubbed me so wrong.

00:40:11
And we were across the room. It wasn't like he was sitting next to us,

00:40:14
talking to us. I could just tell this dude's off. So we

00:40:18
leave the party, fast forward. Like, a couple of months later,

00:40:22
I get a call from her, and she's like, Are you watching the news? And

00:40:25
I'm like, no. She's like, Turn on the TV. I turn on the TV, and

00:40:28
I'm looking at this guy, and it takes me a minute because I didn't quite

00:40:32
understand, and then I'm like, that's that fucking guy?

00:40:36
Yeah. He's, like a serial killer. He was just killing hookers. And, like, you have

00:40:39
amazing intuition, dude. I fucking told you. And she's like,

00:40:43
oh, my God, you're so weird. She's like, I can't believe you could tell. And

00:40:46
I'm like, yeah. He was, like, high school, best friends

00:40:50
with her now husband, so it was like, nobody knew. And I'm

00:40:54
like, Fuck that guy. But, yeah, he's creeper, dude. You knew.

00:40:58
I mean, I knew. I didn't. You did. I didn't know it was that, but

00:41:01
damn. Yeah, trust your gut. Yeah, definitely. Yeah,

00:41:04
trust your intuition, man. I think that has a natural way

00:41:08
of telling you you're in danger. That is so scary. Yeah.

00:41:13
Creepy. What about you? I

00:41:17
have several weird creepy stories. I could probably so I grew

00:41:21
up in an antique store. My mom had an antique store, grew up there. She

00:41:25
had a doll hospital in our basement. She loved those old

00:41:28
life size dolls from the

00:41:32
she would get them from auctions and they'd be like, missing eyeballs and limbs and

00:41:36
just the creepiest looking things in the world. And we had a basement full of

00:41:40
them. We're talking like this entire basement, wall to wall is full of them because

00:41:43
she would refurbish them and then she'd sell them in her antique store. And at

00:41:46
the time, that was a big trend. People were like, reliving their

00:41:49
childhood. I get it. And they wanted the dolls from what they

00:41:53
grew up with. So my mom had this whole doll hospital operation. I

00:41:57
hated going downstairs into that basement.

00:42:00
But then she decided that she was going to take some of her favorite dolls

00:42:03
and put them across in the room across from me. And I

00:42:07
hated it. So every night I would make sure my door was shut and

00:42:10
locked. And then the door to the room with all the creepy

00:42:14
dolls that she collected because you'd walk in and just eyeballs on you

00:42:18
all the way around the room. These stupid dolls. And they were as big as

00:42:21
I was at the time because I was a child. I remember every

00:42:25
morning, though, I'd go back and that room,

00:42:28
that door would always be opened a crack, and it was a good tight seal

00:42:32
on it. It wasn't like it had like a flimsy handle. I was convinced

00:42:36
that those dolls were out to get me. I still

00:42:39
hate I never was a doll person. And I think it's because of that. I

00:42:42
always had plush animals. I was always way more into, like, plushies,

00:42:46
and I think that's why. But yeah, every morning and I'd ask my mom

00:42:49
because I was upstairs, it was like a Cape Cod style house.

00:42:53
So it was just my room and the room across from me upstairs. Did you

00:42:56
come upstairs last night and go in your room? She's like, no, why?

00:43:00
Please just tell me it's you. Please tell me. Lie to me and say

00:43:04
it's been you. But yeah, every morning. And there was always like stuff

00:43:07
out of place in that room because my mom would accuse me of like, I've

00:43:11
told you not to touch my dolls. Don't play with my dolls. And I'd be

00:43:14
like, I don't even go in that room. I'm so terrified of it. She's like,

00:43:16
well, things were moved around. I know your dad didn't do it. And I'm just

00:43:18
like, thank I hate it here.

00:43:23
Definitely to this day, if I see like a large doll, I'm just like,

00:43:27
no thank you. I'm good.

00:43:30
Marty that reminds me of when we were looking for

00:43:34
houses up here. We would go into the creepy basements. Yeah.

00:43:38
And one of the creepy basements we walked into was

00:43:42
a doll with a clown face. And I couldn't

00:43:46
even get down the stairs. I'm like, no, it was in the

00:43:50
basement. You walking down into the basement and you saw like

00:43:54
a creepy doll with the creepy clown face. I was like,

00:43:57
no, I left my

00:44:01
wife and the realtor and I walked the fuck out of

00:44:05
I'm small, right? So my little fucking legs. I'm like,

00:44:08
double timing it. Double timing it to get out of the house. I'm like,

00:44:12
no, we're not moving here. No, I don't blame

00:44:16
you. Yeah, like you said, trust your

00:44:20
gut. Yeah. Was your mom's dolls out of the

00:44:23
box in the basement, too? Some of them were

00:44:27
in different various states of undress and being fixed and stuff. So

00:44:31
she actually had a tub of arms and like a tub of legs and eyes

00:44:34
and just I was just terrified of

00:44:38
it. And then to make matters worse, her antique shop was in downtown

00:44:41
Shelbyville, Kentucky, and it was right off Main Street. And

00:44:45
it was at what used to be like, this beautiful grand hotel. But they

00:44:49
broke it into sections and turned it into antique shops. And so

00:44:53
my mom had, like, one little portion of it that was just her shop,

00:44:56
but it was also famous because there was a very famous murder

00:45:00
in front of her shop. And

00:45:04
also people died in there because it was a hotel, and that

00:45:07
happens sometimes. So that place was haunted, very haunted.

00:45:11
And so things would go missing. There was the ghost of a

00:45:15
bellman named George. So every night we'd go to lock up the registers and lock

00:45:18
up things, and the keys were always not where we left them. So all you'd

00:45:21
have to say is like, George, come on, we really need to get out of

00:45:23
here and turn around. And the keys would and you're like, I already checked that

00:45:27
spot. I know I did. And the keys would be sitting there. Just weird stuff

00:45:30
like that was always happening. One lady said that

00:45:34
he pinched her bum a few times. He was kind of a jerk.

00:45:38
So it was just like stealing our stuff and moving it around. And then

00:45:42
it wasn't just one lady. It was a couple of ladies said that they felt

00:45:45
like somebody had touched them or had been

00:45:49
creepy and they turned around, nobody would be there. And I'm just like, at least

00:45:52
that didn't happen to me. But it was just a really

00:45:56
creepy place because up in the attic, some of the stuff kind of like you

00:45:59
were saying was just left there. The hotel closed and they just left a

00:46:03
bunch of crap back there. And we didn't use the attic. So I'd go

00:46:07
up there sometime when I wasn't supposed to, but I'd go up there to play

00:46:10
and check out all this old shit from the hotel. Very

00:46:14
creepy. Thinking back on it.

00:46:17
Do you believe objects could be haunted or, like, carried? Yeah, it

00:46:21
has an attachment. Yeah, I do. I think maybe one of those dolls had an

00:46:24
attachment. That's what I was thinking of that story. I was like, oh, my gosh.

00:46:29
No way, dude. Yeah, that's wild.

00:46:32
Yeah. We stayed at. There's a hotel in Key

00:46:36
West. Do you like to go to places

00:46:40
and hotels and stay if you know that it's, quote unquote,

00:46:43
haunted? Is that your vibe? Okay, so there's a hotel in Key West. Look,

00:46:47
we went for a friend's birthday. Super last minute. Bizzle booked the

00:46:51
room. I just showed up. Like, I didn't invest

00:46:54
any time into looking at first of all, I didn't think Florida was haunted. I

00:46:58
don't know, maybe that's the ignorant. In Maryland? Yes.

00:47:02
New York. Absolutely. Savannah, yes. But, like, Key West,

00:47:06
I had no idea. So we go to a friend's birthday,

00:47:10
we check into the room, and immediately I'm like,

00:47:14
ill. Something's off, right? Like, this room feels weird. The vibe

00:47:18
is off. I couldn't get a single night of sleep. When

00:47:22
I tell you, first of all, the elevator stopped at the

00:47:25
fourth floor. Every single time we would take it to go down, so much so

00:47:29
that Bizzle, like, I would look at him, I'm like, you see something is wrong.

00:47:33
And he's like, all right, fine. This is a little weird. Like, he started to

00:47:36
acknowledge shit. But I couldn't get a night of sleep because I was woken up

00:47:40
at 03:00 every day. The witching hour. Is that's

00:47:43
creepy? Yeah, that's when spirits are said to be, like, the most

00:47:47
active. It was 03:00 a.m. Every single day. Oh, yikes.

00:47:51
And then I would go to the bathroom, right? And it was like an older

00:47:54
hotel, so it's a smaller space. So I would go to the bathroom,

00:47:58
and I just felt like there was somebody in the bathroom. It was

00:48:02
weird. I couldn't get back to sleep. I would try, and I could just see

00:48:05
a bunch of faces. When I would close my eyes the whole time, I just

00:48:09
didn't get any sleep. And I remember because when I would get

00:48:13
woken up at three, I could hear, like, footsteps coming towards the bed, or I

00:48:16
would hear knocking on the fucking headboard. And the last

00:48:20
night, finally, Bizzle heard all these things that I had been

00:48:24
hearing, and I'm like, do you see what I'm saying? He's like, yeah.

00:48:27
No, I hear the knocking, I hear the steps. And I'm like, I fucking told

00:48:30
you. And then fast forward to after, of course,

00:48:34
because one of my really good friends, I was texting her the whole

00:48:37
time, and she's like, whatever you do, don't Google it till you

00:48:41
get home. And I'm like, okay. She's like, you're fine. Everything's

00:48:45
going to be fine. Don't Google it till you get home. When I got home,

00:48:48
on the road back, on the drive back, I was Googling it, and I'm like,

00:48:52
this is like one of the most haunted spots in Key West.

00:48:56
Why would you do this to me? But if that's your jam

00:48:59
hit up. I would check it out. Yeah, they should pay us

00:49:03
for free advertising here.

00:49:08
Yeah. St. Augustine, I think, is like the oldest city in america.

00:49:11
And so it's said to be, like, wildly haunted. And it's so dumb because I

00:49:15
live in the area. I live in central Florida. So it's

00:49:19
like, why haven't I been up there yet? I really need to

00:49:22
go up there. I've done, like, ghost tours other places, and I need to go

00:49:26
up there and do their ghost tour. Yeah, I did the ghost tour in

00:49:29
Savannah. I've done the ghost tour in New

00:49:32
Orleans. We did the ghost tour in St. Augustine.

00:49:36
There are some really haunted houses, haunted

00:49:40
hotels here in upstate New York. And there's also a

00:49:44
super haunted hotel in Colorado. It's in.

00:49:47
It was regarding the shining. Oh, yeah, that's

00:49:51
in. That okay.

00:49:55
Nope. I'm not ever going to stay there again. Why? You stayed there?

00:49:58
I did, yeah, when I was a kid. And young, dumb,

00:50:02
stupid, and stoned. Anyways,

00:50:06
if you're going to do it, don't go stone. Because you know what?

00:50:09
Things are creepy as it is. You don't need to add that extra

00:50:13
layer of I don't really know where the fuck I

00:50:17
am sense to it. Okay. But yeah,

00:50:21
super haunted. Oh, the overlook. Yeah,

00:50:24
I think they called it The Shining. I want to go there really badly.

00:50:28
My friend I was talking about the paranormal investigator, she lives in

00:50:31
Colorado, so she does all of these things. She stayed there before. I'm

00:50:35
so jealous. But the funny part is she's really into it, but she's like, I

00:50:38
still don't know if ghosts exist. I have not really seen a whole lot of

00:50:42
definitive things, but actually her most recent one she did was in

00:50:45
Waverly Hills over in Kentucky, and she said that it was

00:50:49
the first time she actually did see a full body apparition in all of her

00:50:52
years investigating. So I guess it's no longer true. She

00:50:56
doesn't have proof because she said she did see something this time. And she was

00:50:59
like, yes, it finally happened. Can you imagine being the ghost

00:51:03
and you're so used to everybody freaking out, and then you get that one person

00:51:05
like, yes, yay. They're like, Finally,

00:51:09
I'm appreciated Jesus Christ. I have some

00:51:13
pictures that have an aura on certain parts

00:51:17
of the room.

00:51:20
It creeped me out. Creepy, dude.

00:51:24
Creepy. So what else do you know? So

00:51:28
I actually looked into where you guys are from, like, what your cryptids

00:51:32
are from, your state. Tell us. Yeah, so let's see.

00:51:36
Yeah, I have you with the glauchester. I'm probably saying that wrong.

00:51:40
Ghoul. Louchester Ghoul from Rhode Island.

00:51:44
I don't know what it is. Tell me. All right. And it is said to

00:51:48
be a creature that lurks in the woods of the northeastern part of Rhode

00:51:51
Island. And that is the size of a cow,

00:51:55
but it has webbed duck feet and it has big

00:51:58
ram horns and bat wings. But

00:52:02
the best part is that it can shoot fire from its eyes and

00:52:06
mouth. I

00:52:09
feel like this is something g rex would describe after she's

00:52:12
stoned. Exactly.

00:52:16
That's creepy. Was it just a cow? Somebody put like

00:52:20
slippers on, right? The webbed feet.

00:52:23
So wild. Yeah. I'm trying to imagine what that would look like. I

00:52:26
wonder maybe are there wet lambs

00:52:30
up there? They maybe need that wet feet to. Get around,

00:52:34
but not really. And if it's the size of a cow, it's going to

00:52:38
sink anyway. That's what I'm saying. This is just somebody's cruel

00:52:41
joke for an animal. You're as big as a

00:52:45
cow. Not yeah, it's got bat

00:52:49
wings, too. I'm just trying to like they better be fucking strong.

00:52:53
You guys remember that show Gargoyles? That Disney show

00:52:57
I'm kind of picturing?

00:53:05
So you mentioned Colorado. So I looked up

00:53:08
Colorado and found one of my favorites. I'd forgotten that they were from that region,

00:53:12
but the Tommy knockers, you mentioned the caves, so you

00:53:15
probably know, you're probably all too aware of them. So they're said to be like

00:53:19
tiny tricksters. They're kind of like leprechauns and they reside

00:53:23
in Colorado's. Gold and silver mines. And some

00:53:27
people, like the miners, believed that all the eerie

00:53:30
underground noises that you would hear could be attributed to the Tommy

00:53:33
knockers and that they weren't bad. They were actually pretty

00:53:37
helpful because they were thought to warn the miners of

00:53:41
impending disasters by knocking from the inside of the walls to let them

00:53:45
know they needed to get out before a collapse happened. That's so nice.

00:53:48
How sweet. I know. I was like, what a nice one. To be in the

00:53:51
caves, knocking on the wall. Kidding.

00:53:55
But that's really nice. Yeah, I like that. I like that. We're ending on

00:53:59
a happy note because serial killers.

00:54:03
Oh, good. I'm glad. I was like, yeah, let's end on something nice. The Tommy

00:54:07
knockers, they sound like they're pretty chill.

00:54:11
They're all about my size. I'm only five foot, so

00:54:15
I'm right there with you.

00:54:24
It's okay to be not okay. Just make sure you're talking to

00:54:27
someone.

00:54:34
You our close.